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believed　to　be　true；　but　he　stated　them　roundly　as　being　true；　in

such　form　as　to　pledge　his　veracity　for　their　truth。　　When　the

whole　matter　turns　out　as　it　does；　and　when　we　consider　who　Judge

Douglas　is；　that　he　is　a　distinguished　Senator　of　the　United

States；　that　he　has　served　nearly　twelve　years　as　such；　that　his

character　is　not　at　all　limited　as　an　ordinary　Senator　of　the

United　States；　but　that　his　name　has　become　of　world…wide

renown；it　is　most　extraordinary　that　he　should　so　far　forget

all　the　suggestions　of　justice　to　an　adversary；　or　of　prudence　to

himself；　as　to　venture　upon　the　assertion　of　that　which　the

slightest　investigation　would　have　shown　him　to　be　wholly　false。

I　can　only　account　for　his　having　done　so　upon　the　supposition

that　that　evil　genius　which　has　attended　him　through　his　life；

giving　to　him　an　apparent　astonishing　prosperity；　such　as　to　lead

very　many　good　men　to　doubt　there　being　any　advantage　in　virtue

over　vice；I　say　I　can　only　account　for　it　on　the　supposition

that　that　evil　genius　has　as　last　made　up　its　mind　to　forsake

him。



And　I　may　add　that　another　extraordinary　feature　of　the　Judge's

conduct　in　this　canvassmade　more　extraordinary　by　this

incidentis；　that　he　is　in　the　habit；　in　almost　all　the　speeches

he　makes；　of　charging　falsehood　upon　his　adversaries；　myself　and

others。　　I　now　ask　whether　he　is　able　to　find　in　anything　that

Judge　Trumbull；　for　instance；　has　said；　or　in　anything　that　I

have　said；　a　justification　at　all　compared　with　what　we　have；　in

this　instance；　for　that　sort　of　vulgarity。



I　have　been　in　the　habit　of　charging　as　a　matter　of　belief　on　my

part　that；　in　the　introduction　of　the　Nebraska　Bill　into

Congress；　there　was　a　conspiracy　to　make　slavery　perpetual　and

national。　　I　have　arranged　from　time　to　time　the　evidence　which

establishes　and　proves　the　truth　of　this　charge。　　I　recurred　to

this　charge　at　Ottawa。　　I　shall　not　now　have　time　to　dwell　upon

it　at　very　great　length；　but　inasmuch　as　Judge　Douglas；　in　his

reply　of　half　an　hour；　made　some　points　upon　me　in　relation　to

it；　I　propose　noticing　a　few　of　them。



The　Judge　insists　that；　in　the　first　speech　I　made；　in　which　I

very　distinctly　made　that　charge；　he　thought　for　a　good　while　I

was　in　fun！　　that　I　was　playful；　that　I　was　not　sincere　about　it；

and　that　he　only　grew　angry　and　somewhat　excited　when　he　found

that　I　insisted　upon　it　as　a　matter　of　earnestness。　　He　says　he

characterized　it　as　a　falsehood　so　far　as　I　implicated　his　moral

character　in　that　transaction。　　Well；　I　did　not　know；　till　he

presented　that　view；　that　I　had　implicated　his　moral　character。

He　is　very　much　in　the　habit；　when　he　argues　me　up　into　a

position　I　never　thought　of　occupying；　of　very　cosily　saying　he

has　no　doubt　Lincoln　is　〃conscientious〃　in　saying　so。　　He　should

remember　that　I　did　not　know　but　what　he　was　ALTOGETHER

〃CONSCIENTIOUS〃　in　that　matter。　　I　can　conceive　it　possible　for

men　to　conspire　to　do　a　good　thing；　and　I　really　find　nothing　in

Judge　Douglas's　course　of　arguments　that　is　contrary　to　or

inconsistent　with　his　belief　of　a　conspiracy　to　nationalize　and

spread　slavery　as　being　a　good　and　blessed　thing；　and　so　I　hope

he　will　understand　that　I　do　not　at　all　question　but　that　in　all

this　matter　he　is　entirely　〃conscientious。〃



But　to　draw　your　attention　to　one　of　the　points　I　made　in　this

case；　beginning　at　the　beginning：　　When　the　Nebraska　Bill　was

introduced；　or　a　short　time　afterward；　by　an　amendment；　I

believe；　it　was　provided　that　it　must　be　considered　〃the　true

intent　and　meaning　of　this　Act　not　to　legislate　slavery　into　any

State　or　Territory；　or　to　exclude　it　therefrom；　but　to　leave　the

people　thereof　perfectly　free　to　form　and　regulate　their　own

domestic　institutions　in　their　own　way；　subject　only　to　the

Constitution　of　the　United　States。〃　　I　have　called　his　attention

to　the　fact　that　when　he　and　some　others　began　arguing　that　they

were　giving　an　increased　degree　of　liberty　to　the　people　in　the

Territories　over　and　above　what　they　formerly　had　on　the　question

of　slavery；　a　question　was　raised　whether　the　law　was　enacted　to

give　such　unconditional　liberty　to　the　people；　and　to　test　the

sincerity　of　this　mode　of　argument；　Mr。　Chase；　of　Ohio；

introduced　an　amendment；　in　which　he　made　the　lawif　the

amendment　were　adoptedexpressly　declare　that　the　people　of　the

Territory　should　have　the　power　to　exclude　slavery　if　they　saw

fit。　　I　have　asked　attention　also　to　the　fact　that　Judge　Douglas

and　those　who　acted　with　him　voted　that　amendment　down；

notwithstanding　it　expressed　exactly　the　thing　they　said　was　the

true　intent　and　meaning　of　the　law。　　I　have　called　attention　to

the　fact　that　in　subsequent　times　a　decision　of　the　Supreme　Court

has　been　made；　in　which　it　has　been　declared　that　a　Territorial

Legislature　has　no　constitutional　right　to　exclude　slavery。　　And

I　have　argued　and　said　that　for　men　who　did；　intend　that　the

people　of　the　Territory　should　have　the　right　to　exclude　slavery

absolutely　and　unconditionally；　the　voting　down　of　Chase's

amendment　is　wholly　inexplicable。　　It　is　a　puzzle；　a　riddle。　　But

I　have　said；　that　with　men　who　did　look　forward　to　such　a

decision；　or　who　had　it　in　contemplation　that　such　a　decision　of

the　Supreme　Court　would　or　might　be　made；　the　voting　down　of　that

amendment　would　be　perfectly　rational　and　intelligible。　　It　would

keep　Congress　from　coming　in　collision　with　the　decision　when　it

was　made。　　Anybody　can　conceive　that　if　there　was　an　intention　or

expectation　that　such　a　decision　was　to　follow；　it　would　not　be　a

very　desirable　party　attitude　to　get　into　for　the　Supreme　Court

all　or　nearly　all　its　members　belonging　to　the　same　partyto

decide　one　way；　when　the　party　in　Congress　had　decided　the　other

way。　　Hence　it　would　be　very　rational　for　men　expecting　such　a

decision　to　keep　the　niche　in　that　law　clear　for　it。　　After

pointing　this　out；　I　tell　Judge　Douglas　that　it　looks　to　me　as

though　here　was　the　reason　why　Chase's　amendment　was　voted　down。

I　tell　him　that；　as　he　did　it；　and　knows　why　he　did　it；　if　it　was

done　for　a　reason　different　from　this；　he　knows　what　that　reason

was　and　can　tell　us　what　it　was。　　I　tell　him；　also；　it　will　be

vastly　more　satisfactory　to　the　country　for　him　to　give　some

other　plausible；　intelligible　reason　why　it　was　voted　down　than

to　stand　upon　his　dignity　and　call　people　liars。　　Well；　on

Saturday　he　did　make　his　answer；　and　what　do　you　think　it　was？

He　says　if　I　had　only　taken　upon　myself　to　tell　the　whole　truth

about　that　amendment　of　Chase's；　no　explanation　would　have　been

necessary　on　his　part　or　words　to　that　effect。　　Now；　I　say　here

that　I　am　quite　unconscious　of　having　suppressed　anything

material　to　the　case；　and　I　am　very　frank　to　admit　if　there　is

any　sound　reason　other　than　that　which　appeared　to　me　material；

it　is　quite　fair　for　him　to　present　it。　　What　reason　does　he

propose？　　That　when　Chase　came　forward　with　his　am